Considerations for Planning to Retire AbroadWith our recent announcement of us moving up our early retirement date to the end of 2018, the pressure’s now on.  We’re now planning to retire abroad to Panama in the summer of 2019.

The news was exciting for us to share, but now reality’s setting in.  Although a year seems like a lot of time, there’s really a lot that needs to be done.

It would be one thing if we were just moving to another country for a couple of years.  However, we’re planning to actually retire abroad for the long haul.

And with that, comes the need to sell everything.  Not only our house, but our cars, furniture, TVs, books – you name it!  We’re planning to walk into the country with a couple big suitcases each… and that’s it.

But that’s only part of what needs to be done.  We need to figure out where we’re going to live, schooling for our daughter, applying for our Visas, healthcare, and more.

I’m starting to stress just thinking about it!

Let’s go through some of the fun that’s bobbing around in my head as considerations we have to take into account for planning to retire abroad…

 

Just in case

Our full intention is to stay in Panama for the long haul, but we’re also realistic.  What if we hate it or things don’t work out for one reason or another?  Although we can’t plan for everything, we at least want to consider the possibility we might decide to move back.

So there are a few pieces of our plan to help us accommodate this…

1) Expenses

This is the most important one for us.  If we planned our FIRE numbers around living in Panama and then decided to come back, we’d have a problem.

The cost of living is much cheaper in Panama than it is here.  Check out some of the examples in my post The Cost of Living in Panama… Geoarbitrage at Work! – that’s insane to me.

So our choices would be either to stay in Panama regardless or to come back to the U.S but need to go back to work… yuck!

To avoid that, we planned our expenses as if we’re going to be staying here in the U.S.  That gives us the flexibility to move back if needed and still not have to worry about money.

In the meantime, that should give us some more breathing room in Panama to splurge a little more.

 

2) Storage

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A shipping container would definitely be the easy way to do it, but it just really doesn’t make sense – at least for us…

Remember the part about selling all our stuff before we retire abroad?  Well, I lied a little bit.  We’re temporarily keeping some of our stuff.

We could keep everything and have it shipped down to Panama in one of those monster shipping containers, but it doesn’t make sense for us to do that.  It would cost us at least $10k to make this happen and most of our stuff is just crap we really don’t need to hold onto anymore.

Our couches also wouldn’t do well with Panama’s humidity.  And although we could bring our cars, I’m told that it’s expensive to get parts and have them worked on there.  In essence, they become foreign cars once taken out of the U.S.

So, we made the decision to get rid of it all… to a point.  The mindset we’re aiming for is that we want to store some things for about a year in case we decide to come back.  That way we won’t have to start completely from scratch.

We have a lot of things that are on their last legs so to speak.  Our living room furniture, barbecue grill, weed eater, refrigerator, etc. are really hanging on by a thread and should be replaced very soon.

Since we’re leaving though, we’ll just sell, giveaway, or dispose of that stuff.  If we come back, we’ll buy replacements for those things as needed.

We’ll also get rid of all our winter stuff since we’re never coming back to live in the cold… ever!  Our snow blower, snow shovels, winter clothes, etc. are not items we’ll ever need when we retire abroad to a country like Panama!

However, we have a number of items that wouldn’t make sense to get rid of… yet.  For example:

  • Tools – Years of acquiring hand tools and outdoor tools ran up quite a hefty price tag.  We wouldn’t be able to get our money back from selling them and we would definitely need most of these if we came back.  We’ll get rid of some of them, but the rest will go into storage.
  • Some furniture / Small appliances – We’ll hang onto a couple beds (at least the bed frames and headboards), dining room table and chairs, small kitchen appliances, etc.  In other words, things we’d need if we came back.
  • Memories – I’ve digitized most of our stuff – photos, journals, old home movies, etc.  However, there are still some things that we can’t digitize.  It won’t be very much stuff, but we’ll have a small box or two to hang onto.  Eventually, those boxes could end up making their way down to Panama.

We’re planning to use PODS (Portable On Demand Storage) for our needs.  We’ll fill one up and have them store it for us for about a year.

If after that time frame, we decide to stay in Panama, we’ll come back and go through the POD.  We’ll grab some of the stuff to take back with us and the rest we’ll sell or give away.

There is storage that we could find for cheaper.  However, if we do decide to come back, we’re not coming back to Ohio… probably Tennessee.  Having a POD would allow us to just have it shipped to wherever we would live – no muss, no fuss.

 

3) Hold up on our Visas

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Yikes, I was looking for a photo to use so searched for “attorney” and got this! I hope this is the guy we get when we’re ready to get our Visas!

The easy thing for us to do would just be to apply for residency in Panama right out of the chute.  We wouldn’t have to worry about the tourist requirements like leaving the country for at least 30 days every 180 days.  Or even more fun, our U.S. driver’s licenses are only good for 90 days at a time while down there.

These requirements add to the complexity of our plan.  For instance, we’ll need to homeschool our daughter while we’re non-residents because we’ll have to leave the country for 30 days at a time periodically.  For some reason, schools don’t seem to like when you pull your kid out for a couple months out of the year.

We decided that this extra bout of fun details is worth it for us though.  The reason being is that the cost of an attorney to make residency happen is expensive.  It’ll likely cost us upwards of $5,000-$10,000 to make it happen.

That’s a lot of money.  That’s Ok though – the cost is already baked into our plans.

Nevertheless, I don’t want to drop $10k right off the bat and then decide after a few months that Panama’s just not our thing and we move back.  That would truly be one big waste of money.

So we’ve set one year to be our number.  If we’re closing in on a year and everything’s good, we’ll apply for residency (the Friendly Nations Visa).  On the other hand, if we decide we’d rather not stay after a year, we won’t have that guilty feeling of spending so much money.

 

4) Decide on our “next place”

The last component of the just-in-case part of our plan is just to rent for the first year.  We know the general vicinity of where we want to live and we’ll rent a house thereabouts.

We want to make sure that we’re planning to stay for good though before committing to buying a place.  In fact, it’s very probable that we’ll just continue to rent down there even if we do stay.

Regardless, we don’t want to go all-in before we’re comfortable with staying.  Besides, being down there for a year first will give us a chance to get to know the area better and figure out specifically where we want to live.

The good news is that moving won’t be that big of a deal.  Most of the places are fully furnished and like I mentioned earlier, we’re not bringing a lot of stuff with us.

 

U.S. address

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Take a guess which state we’ll probably use as our domicile!

We’re not renouncing our citizenship with this move, which means we’ll still want to have a U.S. address.

Joshua Sheats from Radical Personal Finance had a podcast episode where he talked about establishing a domicile when deciding to retire abroad.  It was only a part of a Q&A show, but I’m so glad I caught it.

One of the points he makes is that in certain states, you can register your state of domicile without needing to live there.  The three he mentioned were Florida, Texas, and South Dakota.

The advantages to Texas or Florida are that you can avoid state income tax if you make that your domicile.  You can then use a mail forwarding company such as a Commercial Mail Receiving Agency (CMRA) to forward your mail to your actual address (Panama, in our case).

This gives us an official address that we can use for our driver’s licenses, government docs, estate planning, voting, and more.

It also provides us some advantages if we died while we’re in Panama as a will filed in a state of domicile for guardianship will be returned back to the U.S.  We would, however, need to make some changes to our estate planning documents, but this seems to be a very smart move to make.

 

Schooling

Obviously, this doesn’t apply to someone that decides to retire abroad without kids, but school’s something that we personally need to think through.

Assuming we plan to stay, things shouldn’t be that complicated for us.  We’ll just dig into the international schools and enroll her in whichever one makes the most sense.

But, for at least that first year, we’re going to be homeschooling our daughter.  I’m excited about this, but there’s one problem – I know nothing about it.

So on top of the learning curve of no longer working, preparation for retirement, and planning to move to a foreign country, we need to figure out the ins and outs of homeschooling.

The good news is that there are many good resources out there that didn’t previously exist.

On top of that, there are a number of Facebook groups that not only focus on homeschooling but specifically that as an expat.  That makes the whole idea a little less stressful to think about.

Mrs. R2R’s going to handle digging into finding the right curriculum and the ins and the outs of things.  However, once we get down there, I get to be the teacher.  Do teachers still get to crack students on the knuckles with a ruler or not so much?

 

Health insurance

Healthcare in Panama is cheap… crazy cheap.  A doctor’s appointment might run you $25.  That’s not a copay – that’s the cost out the door.  Oh, yeah, that’s without insurance, too.

So if healthcare is so cheap, why even think about insurance?

The big reason is that we’re not going to be in Panama all the time.  What if we’re on one of our 30-day trips to the U.S. and we get in a major car accident?

Pleasant thought, right?

Regardless, it’s something we need to consider to protect ourselves.  And we all know how the healthcare system is in the U.S. is overpriced and overly complex.

We haven’t decided for sure what we’re going to do, but we’ll be seriously looking into the health care sharing ministries as an option.  But that might not be possible.  Maybe you can’t sign up if you live outside of the country.  We’ll have to do some digging.

If not, we’ll look at expat insurance.  It’s likely more expensive, but it might be our best option.

Either way, if you’re going to retire abroad, you have to think of what’s going to work best for you.  Maybe you even chance it and go with no insurance?  That’s a scary thought, but still an option.

 

Visiting family and friends

Although deciding to retire abroad sets you up for a new adventure that can be both adventurous and educational, there’s usually one big problem… you usually end up leaving family and friends behind.

Sure they can come down to visit you, but will they?  Maybe some, but it’s probably not going to be very often and it’s possible to get homesick and miss them pretty quickly.

Ours are kind of stuck with us.  We’re planning to come back to visit when we can.  The issue is that this can get expensive for the travel.

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Our daughter looking out the plane window… she’ll be missing her friends as soon as we land in Panama!

One solution we started digging into is travel hacking with credit card rewards.  I’ll do a post about this in the future, but the gist of it is that you take advantage of credit card sign-up bonuses in a methodical and organized way to acquire large amounts of points/miles.

We just started this about six months ago and have already racked up about 215,000 points.  That equates to a lot of free flights for not changing our spending habits at all.  We can also use the points for staying at hotels if we need to (or just want to!).

We’ll continue doing this for sure until we leave and that should make it quite a bit easier to fly back and forth.  This will come in handy particularly in that first year as a tourist during those times we need to leave the country for a month at a time.

The other cool strategy we’re planning for is to each get a credit card that reimburses for Global Entry.  It’s focused on getting you through customs much faster.

The program is like a step above the TSA Pre✓ program – in fact, it includes TSA Pre✓ eligibility as part of it.  It’s good for five years before you need to renew.

It’s also $100 for each person – including kids.  So, signing up for a good travel card like the Chase Sapphire Reserve will allow us to take advantage of this (we’ll do this for each of us).  Plus, it will get us the sign-up bonus and give us some other perks that will make the $450 annual fee make us want to throw up less… yeah, I said $450!!

This will be the one card that we’ll pay the fee for the first year to take advantage of the goodies and then dump before the year is up.

 

Taxes / Financial Planning

Another piece to the puzzle of deciding to retire abroad is financial planning.  The rules of the game change once you leave the country.  If you play right, you can come out far ahead.  If played wrong though, you could waste a lot of money for no reason.

I currently have three side hustles out there.  None of them brings in huge money right now (though the rental property income is pretty nice!).  The thing is there are ways to structure these businesses to legally come out further ahead than you could if you didn’t understand all the rules.

You don’t know what you don’t know!

This is a piece that I’m not confident in enough myself.  It’s also one of the reasons I brought in a financial planner that understands the tax considerations of other countries.

He’s already given me a better understanding of some of the general strategies to keep in mind.  And as we continue down the road, I’ll probably use his knowledge to help us continue to optimize our taxes and $$$$.

 

Our Rules for When We Retire Abroad to Panama

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I need a pointer stick to crack against the chalkboard of rules!

This is a new one that I’m working on.  I want us to enjoy this adventure, but I want to be smart about it as well.  So here’s the start of “the rules” we’re putting in place:

  • We give it at least a year
  • It’s an adventure – we have to try new things and give everything a chance
  • Two out of three votes to move back wins

My thinking is that this is going to be an enormous change for all of us – not only my wife and I retiring but deciding to retire abroad as well!  The cultural differences can be fun but also frustrating.

I want to make sure that we don’t just bail for the wrong reasons.  It’s going to be different – no doubt about it.

There will be pros and cons to this move and I think the good will far outweigh the bad, but you never know.  Regardless, we need to give it a shot and get used to the differences.

So we’re going to put these rules in place from the beginning.  We’ll add more along the way as well.  This will give us a fair opportunity to immerse ourselves in the culture and get used to everything there.


Holy macaroni, this was a lot of fun thoughts spewed out about what we need to plan for on this adventure.  I hope you found it helpful or interesting!

 

I’m sure that I’m forgetting to mention some things.  Any thoughts on what we should be thinking about during our plans to retire abroad?

 

Thanks for reading!!

— Jim

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Considerations for Planning to Retire Abroad

17 thoughts on “Considerations for Planning to Retire Abroad

  • June 26, 2018 at 9:02 am
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    I love this. I am sending it to my wife. We keep talking about living abroad for a year or so or longer. We are kept here by a few things, but I could see us doing this in the not so distant future.

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    • June 26, 2018 at 11:46 am
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      That’s awesome, Jason – can’t wait to hear about it if you make it happen!

      — Jim

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  • June 27, 2018 at 6:48 am
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    2 points of suggestion … check out vaccinations needed for the area and boosters if necessary … and a teacher’s certificate … various options for that including distance ed… in ICT … GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY… teaching high school computer science is fun … and again free tuition for your kids at the international schools… 3 months of paid vacation that sync with their holidays …and you can teach around the world like I do … CPO from the far side of the planet ….

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    • June 27, 2018 at 7:57 am
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      Good ones, Michael! We’re personally good on the vaccinations from our trip down there previously, but that’s definitely something people need to be aware of before going to any country.

      I’m not familiar with the ICT – I’ll have to dig into that if we consider doing any teaching, especially to take advantage of the free tuition!

      — Jim

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  • June 27, 2018 at 9:39 am
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    Love the list Jim! Sounds like you’ve got plenty of things figured out and a few more that will work themselves out over the next couple of months. I have to tell you that Global Entry is the best! I’ve had it for the past couple years and it is one of the greatest things. On average, it takes me less than 5 minutes to pass through immigration and that includes the time it takes to just walk from one end of the room to the other. In addition, TSA pre check and priority pass are also just as awesome. Traveling can be stressful, boring, tiresome, but these 3 things are so worth it in helping make any trip a little easier.

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    • June 27, 2018 at 11:17 am
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      Thanks, Mrs. WoW – is that weird that I’m now excited about getting Global Entry?! 😉

      — Jim

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  • June 27, 2018 at 11:45 am
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    I would really be careful on your assumptions about Panama being cheaper to live in. I would suggest that you join the Panama Facebook expat group to get a more realistic understanding of cost of living there. Many of the people who have retired in Panama have found that it is more expensive than living in the US. There are ways to save money by lowering your lifestyle but those are the same type of changes that would make living in the US cheaper. Make sure you have up to date info as prices in Panama have gone up substantially in past 10 years.

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    • June 27, 2018 at 1:47 pm
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      Thanks for the info, Mike! I’ve definitely found those FB groups to be helpful. We live pretty moderately and based on the what I’ve seen while there and the folks we talked to, I think we’re in good shape. It seems like one of the biggest hurdles is that a lot of people move down there and expect to live like an American for cheap and that just doesn’t work. I’ve also seen that the real estate prices are definitely not as cheap as it used to be out there.

      — Jim

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  • June 27, 2018 at 1:06 pm
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    This is great, Jim! You’ve definitely thought this through. 🙂

    Global entry is definitely worth it!

    Wish you all the best as you continue your planning.

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    • June 27, 2018 at 1:58 pm
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      Much appreciated, Michael! You just want it to work out for us so you can stay with us on your next big game fishing trip down there! 😉

      — Jim

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  • June 29, 2018 at 6:22 am
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    I see I see… doing the tourist 90 day visa thing for the first year with 30 day breaks inbetween. I suppose as long as the cost of plane tickets is less than the cost of the lawyer you’d need, it’ll be the right financial move.

    Good luck on getting everything planned out. I don’t envy you the homeschooling, but I’m sure you’ll be great at it.

    Let me know when that couch in Panama is ready for my visit!

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    • June 29, 2018 at 7:54 am
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      It may be a toss-up on whether or not it’ll be the right move financially, but it will give Mrs. R2R a chance to see her family a couple times during that first year, which she’s going to want.

      The places we’re looking at are already furnished, so a couch is already waiting for you… we just need to figure out which place it’ll be at! 😉

      — Jim

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  • July 1, 2018 at 10:21 am
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    The visa sounds complicated. So you have come back to the US every 3 months for 30 days. Every country does it differently. Why does the residency cost so much?
    Your plan looks great. It looks like you already have a plan for everything, nice job. It’s a great idea to keep your stuff for a year. That’s a good trial period.
    I really like this post. Keep them coming.

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    • July 1, 2018 at 7:20 pm
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      Maybe I made this a little confusing, but basically, until you start the residency process, you need to leave periodically (like most countries). Once you apply for your residency Visa, though, you no longer need to leave. It’s definitely interesting on the cost. I believe you can go through the process yourself, but I’m told you really want to get an attorney involved.

      Putting down everything we need to do in writing really put this in perspective. There’s a lot we need to do and that’s a little stressful, but there’s not anything that should be too over-the-top to get done.

      — Jim

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  • August 1, 2018 at 9:45 am
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    Hi,
    I’m looking to retire abroad (eventually, I’m still years off) but I’m a planner by nature so this post was great to see! A suggestion about the credit cards though- think about business credit cards too since you have side hustles, it virtually doubles the amount of sign up bonuses you can get! Also I employed the same strategy on the Chase reserve card and I regret not keeping it- you earn points SO much faster with it and they are much more valuable when you redeem them. Remember their strict application rules too.

    Good luck! I cant wait to hear about how it goes!

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    • August 4, 2018 at 11:08 am
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      Thanks, WkndMom! We’re actually finishing up on our first bonus from a Chase business card as we speak… great minds do think alike! 🙂

      — Jim

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