I recently came across a question in the FinCon Community Facebook Group relating to the FIRE movement (financial independence / retire early). It was asked by Jeff Rose, creator of the Good Financial Cents site.
If you’re not a member of the FinCon Facebook group, you likely won’t be able to access this link. However, the question asked was “Who disagrees with the FIRE movement and why?”
The post drew quite a number of comments that spanned all sorts of opinions and it made for some interesting reading. Some comments I nodded my head to while others I disagreed with.
Regardless, it got me thinking about my own path in life. FIRE was a very important component of my life in that it’s given us the chance to be where we are today.
As someone who recently reached financial independence and left his job at the end of 2018, I wanted to share what the FIRE movement means to me.
The retirement controversy
A lot of folks seem to disagree with the “RE” in FIRE (financial independence / retire early). And “Retire Early” isn’t necessarily the problem, but the connotation of retirement in general.
Joshua Sheets from the Radical Personal Finance podcast, someone I respect tremendously, chimed in and said retirement carries a feeling of non-productivity and idleness with it…
I think that’s a fair sentiment. The word “retirement” can still carry the vision of being old and gray and sitting in a rocker all day.
But… I also think that’s not always the case. And with younger folks that have “retired”, they’re finding plenty of ways to keep busy.
- My friend Fritz from The Retirement Manifesto works alongside his wife Jackie in a charity she established called Freedom for Fido. They build fences for free for dog owners who couldn’t afford them otherwise so the dogs don’t have to be chained up.
- My buddy Steve, formerly the owner of Think Save Retire, might be the biggest hustler I know. He retired from the IT world at 35 and now seems to always be busy juggling new businesses for fun and money. Right now, he’s running Digital Marketing 4 Bloggers, The Public Slate, and A Streamin’ Life (a popular YouTube channel he runs with his wife, Courtney).
Those are just two quick examples, but they’re not the exception to the rule. Everyone I know who has retired early has found plenty to do to keep themselves occupied and out of their rocking chairs. I know that I can’t imagine being unproductive in life during retirement.
I think the idea of idleness and non-productivity in retirement is something that can be associated with just some of the older folks nowadays.
The feeling of being stuck
When it comes to the concept of FIRE (financial independence / retire early), the acronym really isn’t of importance to me. Sure, the financial independence piece is tremendously valuable and makes life much easier overall.
But the most valuable part of the FIRE movement to me is actually just the awakening that it can provide – the realization you don’t have to just continue down the same path in life.
Some people love what they do at work and that’s fantastic… it’s really the ideal scenario. You’re staying busy doing something you enjoy and you’re getting paid to do it.
But that’s not where everyone is in life.
In the August 2019 report from The Conference Board, 53.7 percent of workers described themselves as satisfied overall with their jobs. In a solid job market like we’re currently in, that’s not a huge surprise.
However, that still leaves almost half the workforce as unhappy in their jobs. That’s a lot of people feeling unsatisfied with their work-life.
And I can almost guarantee that this unhappiness with work carries over into their personal lives somewhat as well.
I was part of that percentage that wasn’t happy. Unfortunately, I also felt stuck, which I’m sure is a feeling shared by a lot of the unsatisfied folks in their careers.
Can you change careers and do something else that you might enjoy more? Sure, but many times that’s easier said than done. There’s a mind trap where you feel stuck in a catch-22. You don’t have the extra time to experiment with different things to find what you’d enjoy doing with your life.
And even if you already know what you enjoy, you likely need to get training to become good at it. If you’re married, possibly with kids, you now have to consider how the change will affect them as well. And how do you spend enough time with your family while you’re doing all this?
These may or not be excuses, but they’re legitimate thoughts that could be running through your head (they were in mine!)… and you just feel stuck.
Enter the FIRE movement.
Well, hello, FIRE movement!
It’s easy to see that FIRE means different things to different people.
For some, they just want to reach financial independence so they have the freedom to quit an enjoyable job if it becomes less enjoyable down the line. Or maybe just to have the financial security in place in case you need to leave a job unexpectedly for things like health, layoffs, or to take care of family members.
Some folks still want to work but maybe a little less. Maybe they want to go part-time to be able to spend more time with their kids.
For others, they want to reach FIRE and quit their jobs entirely to have the time to pursue other interests and hobbies. In most cases, they’ll end up finding another income stream, but money’s not the driving force anymore. More importantly, failing can be much less catastrophic (especially if you have a family relying on you).
Some people want to start a new business, but currently can’t take the financial risk or have the time for it yet.
Whatever the reason the FIRE movement sparks an interest for you is a-ok. The key is that it opens your eyes to realize that there are in fact other viable options out there and there are others actually pursuing those options.
That was the motivator for me.
I wanted out of my career even though I worked for a great company with a great boss. It was just time – time to explore new options in life.
When I stumbled on Joe Udo’s Retire by 40 blog years ago, it made me realize that I really could make some choices to go in a different direction. We already had a large amount saved and just needed to step up our game to make it happen sooner than later.
I didn’t have all the answers on what I would do once I left my job (I still don’t!). However, I do know that the FIRE movement led me down the path of putting the power back in my hands.
Realizing that there was an alternative to working in an environment I felt trapped in gave me the motivation to set a new course. In my case, the FIRE movement gave me the path to a new kind of freedom…. the route to retire, so to speak!
Why the FIRE movement is so important
Initially, I did plan on more of a traditional retirement – hell, I even called it out when I named my blog “Route to Retire.” I had the dream of just sitting on the beach all day sipping piña coladas.
But then I realized that would get old really fast. I always find ways to occupy my time and struggle to even sit still and just watch a movie sometimes.
Now that I reached FIRE and left my job, it’s wonderful to know that the power is completely in my hands to determine my day… and idleness just ain’t a part of it! I spend so much time working on different things that sometimes I still feel like there’s not enough time in the day.
Although I’m staying so busy and knocking out tons of list-items that I’ve wanted to get done for years, I do have more time with my family. Being able to spend hours a day helping my daughter learn new things and just be a bigger part of her life making memories is amazing in every way.
And, I have the FIRE movement to thank for this.
Even though it means so many different things to different people, it’s the inspiration and motivation that so many of us need to make a change.
Here’s the beauty of FIRE: not everyone will reach financial independence, but you can bet your ass that those who take the FIRE movement serious will find a way to put themselves in a much better position financially!
And not everyone will “retire early.” Some may stay at the job they love for the rest of their lives. But I can make a pretty good educated guess that those who dig into the FIRE movement are at least seeing that there are other options and can make a decision on their future from there.
That’s 100% the point. The FIRE movement isn’t about this or that – there are no solid rules.
FIRE doesn’t need to be a finish line where you become financially independent and quit your job. You can be a member of the community, learn and make some small changes, and walk away with saving over $50k in 401(k) fees. That’s still a successful member of the FIRE community in my book.
It doesn’t matter if you continue to work forever or only use it to improve your knowledge of personal finance.
For me, the FIRE movement meant exploring a reinvention of life. And in my case, reaching financial independence was the best path for me to take to do it.
I now try new things and different projects and don’t have to worry about the financial impact this could have if I had tried to do this as a career change. On top of it, I’m able to spend even more time with my wife and daughter while still getting to grow my knowledge in different areas.
I try not to take life too seriously and always have fun, but the power of the FIRE movement has led me to a life that has provided even more happiness. How else could we even be enjoying every minute of our adventure together in Panama?
In other words, don’t let the word “retire” fool you, the FIRE movement is more of an ideology than some strict set of rules. And the shared belief is that you can do something outside of the norm to give yourself a new opportunity in life with whatever path makes sense for you.
What does the FIRE movement mean to you?
Thanks for reading!!
14 thoughts on “What the FIRE Movement Means to Me”
For me the FIRE movement has been a special place that I stumbled upon a few years back. It is a place where like minded people openly share on all kinds of taboo subjects (ooooh, money – can’t talk about that!).
It has provided me with not only with a TON of amazing content but a place where you can share openly and not feel like a complete outcast. It is actually a place where being unorthodox and semi-odd is openly cheered! I wish more of society was as open and sincere.
I like that a lot, Crusher! It feels so nice to be able to talk with others in the community who share the same goals. I noticed that the couple of times I’ve been to FinCon, I felt like I easily fit right in. Even though we didn’t really talk much about money outside of the actual presentations, friendships culminated quickly just because you know you have something in common. It’s definitely great to be a part of the FIRE community! 🙂
The FIRE movement appealed to my sense of independence and entrepreneurship. Having enough investments to take more risks with my career without putting my family in a bad financial situation was life changing. Because of our chasing FIRE in our early years, our daughter will always remember both of her parents being home after school. That’s a big motivator.
Love these points, Kim, and can totally relate. Having the ability to take more risks takes away so much stress and worry that you can just focus on what you really want to be doing. And obviously, I’m with you on being able to spend more time with your daughter – that was my biggest push to begin with and has proven so worthwhile!
Have a great Thanksgiving!!
I think the RE part should be dropped. I personally don’t want anyone defining what I should be doing or not doing. It is a personal choice. It is your time and your happiness.
The word fire can mean passion and to me I am passionate (about) FI.
Most people that strive for FI are looking for freedom and time. This is usually to increase their happiness in some way. You live once, you’re dead forever(listen to Boston’s Piece of Mind).
Enjoy the next few Ohio days in the 50’s before the big weather change!
Haha, yeah, yesterday and today’s weather in OH have been pretty nice. I’m not looking forward to the downturn – time for me to wrap things up and get back to Panama! 😉
For me the FIRE movement means opportunity. Opportunity to have space in my life to figure out what I truly want. It means not getting stuck or stagnant. So often people end up on the hedonic treadmill of life, never really seeing that there is another way. It means freedom. Freedom to do whatever I want to in life (regardless if it makes money or not). It means giving back. Once we have all we need in life, we can start to look outwards and give back to society in meaningful ways. FIRE means challenging myself to be the best version I can everyday. FIRE means so much to me already and I think more things will pop up the more time we spend in post FIRE.
So true, Mrs. Wow – so many folks just don’t realize that there are other choices. What path to go down is different for everyone, but until you get your head out of the sand to see it, you’re never going to get anywhere. I love your phrase “hedonic treadmill of life” – I’ve never heard that before but it sure is accurate! 🙂
The question is, will you ever run out of places for great photo opportunities eating waffles? 😉
Is that even a question? lol
Yet being someone who has been FI for a very long time, I can tell you that having all that extra time comes with the downside. You start pining to do new things, and you need money to start those things. Take the money away and your options are severely limited. Maybe as much as not having the time in the first place because of your job.
Sooo, I was involuntarily retired last week – contracts are slow to get finalized. Employer wants to move me to 1099 status – which I intriguing but I wasn’t quite ready for it. Not sure that former employer even shares my wage anticipation. Fortunately, the FI part is mostly in place (just my fears holding me back).
The first unexpected event was death of Mother in Law – at 78, not exactly old but … still. Our plan to initially rent in her area has changed. So destination is unknown – even though CA house will be on the block soon after first of year. Since homeless are now called “unsheltered” in CA, maybe we can use the homeless term.
Already feeling better after a week in the gym, and starting the whole Kondo thing on the house. And I can finally work on my blog -though the focus has changed a bit. Retired? Nah. I’m just taking a gap decade….
Oh my gosh, so sorry to hear about your job and your mother-in-law, Kev. Based on what you’ve shared over time with your comments, it sounds like you’ve already got your ducks in a row. Maybe this “involuntary retirement” might be exactly the push you needed to move on to your next adventure in life!
I’ll be interested to hear where you decide to move. Let’s get working on the blog so I can follow it and see what your plans are! 🙂
As a side note, I had to look up the Kondo method – I’d never heard of that before. I bookmarked a link so I can read more about it when I get a little more.
There is also a downside risk of early retirement. It almost killed me. I write about it here:
The problem is that purpose is important (and it is infectious to your spouse & kids). If you lack purpose, it doesn’t end well. And the most important thing that I can say is that once you have an abundance of time on your hands, and after you are past the honeymoon/travel period, you will have desires to try new things and in a capitalistic world, this requires….. Capital.
If you remove income production from the equation and decide to live on a fixed income, you will exclude yourself from participation on many things. Try learning to fly a plane when you have limited your income. Or start a business. etc. It is much harder to do those things (not impossible) if you are not generating cashflow.
So if we can remove the “retirement” concept, and focus on the financial independence part, it works. The FIRE movement won’t work in bear markets for most participants and it removes 80% of the reason why people work in the first place – it isn’t money, but the ego need to feel that are participating and providing service to others. That’s why smart business people prefer to give “at-a-boys” to their workers and titles, than pay raises.
Hey, Myles – so good to hear from you! I didn’t know who you were until recently when I heard you on Joshua’s Radical Personal Finance podcast (great appearance!) and started following you.
Your point makes a lot of sense about purpose and capital. I can see how you would want to do different things and didn’t count on that money when first leaving the regular working world. That really wasn’t something I considered in my plans.
My hope though is that some of the small projects I do in the meantime (like this blog) will generate some income I wasn’t counting in the equation. That would be helpful to get the ball rolling on new things. Obviously, it would be hard to count on it, but right now, leaving the 9-5 was the fresh start I needed. I don’t consider myself done working – just working at my own pace on things I enjoy. We’ll see how it goes. If I get into a pinch, I’ll go out and get a job – it’s not something I’m opposed to, but I do know it wouldn’t be in the same field I was in (and probably a less stressful job).